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RollingEarth
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:29AM

In September I am embarking on a three month expedition around east Africa. We will be living out of a Landrover (so will have power but no internet access for 90% of the time.)


Clearly I am planning on taking serious numbers of pictures! I am worried about storage though. Not only storage of the original RAW files but also of a full set of back ups. I will be taking a laptop so burning to CD is an option but it seems so laborious I am wondering if there is a better option. My normal desktop external hard drive is out of the question due to inevitably extreme terrain (and thus shock damage.)


Your thoughts or ideas would be hugely appreciated.


QShot
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:02AM

Storage is always going to be a problem on these kinds of trips. There are various different solutions, and all have the benefits and downsides.


1) Optical Media - Pretty robust, but relies on your Laptop drive to write them. If your laptop drive dies all bets are off. It's also a pain to split memory cards over CDs (unless you are using small cards) - so I usually use DVDs.


2) External USB Hard Disks, like the WD Passport range are reasonably cheap, small, and pretty robust when they they are not running. They should survive a landrover through rough terrain as long as you are not using them while you move. They offer up to 250GB. These are no more likely to die than the HDD in your laptop..... and what would you do if THAT died?


3) More Memory Cards. Memory cards (4GB etc) are cheap now, and for a couple of hundred quid your could get lots and lots. You could diligently delete the bad shots each night.


4) External HDD with viewer system - like the Epson Px000 series. Not cheap, slowish to copy and of course have a hard disk inside that has the same problems as your laptop and external HDDs.


5) ..... floppy disks.... (joke!)


ranplett
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:14AM

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10833


One of them is 7200 RPM. When I'm not traveling, it sits on my desk as a scratch disk. Another nice feature is they don't require another power source, and firewire 800.


ranplett
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:16AM

Sorry, here is the actual 7200 RPM version:


http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10997


Whiteway
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:21AM
Am I reading that right? The 320GB version is cheaper than the 200GB?


Susan_Stewart
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:35AM
That's the one that goes around faster (the slower version with 250GBs is also much cheaper- note I have no idea what difference having it going around at 7200 rpm as opposed to whatever the other ones do makes. Maybe it keeps up with the landrover more easily?)


lostinbids
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:03AM

You can get a usb2 HDD external case and put in a laptop hard drive. I got a case and 120gb drive for around £50. At that price you could get 3 and tripple back up.


The only draw back is you are relying on you laptop not to break. Toughbook might be an idea for the trip.


QShot
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:39AM
Posted By Susan_Stewart:
That's the one that goes around faster (the slower version with 250GBs is also much cheaper- note I have no idea what difference having it going around at 7200 rpm as opposed to whatever the other ones do makes. Maybe it keeps up with the landrover more easily?)

The 7200rpm provides faster access speeds, faster sustained transfer speeds and uses more power. That's the basic difference.


ChristianNasca
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:32AM

Battery powered external hard drive with integrated card reader. You can use it as a USB HD connected to your laptop or independently in case that your laptop fails. The models without viewing function are ridiculously cheap.


I have the "P2S" with 160 GB and I bought it for 150,- EUR half a year ago. I guess by today you should get 250 GB for that price. Download speed from card is around 5 - 6 MB/s and with one battery charge you can download 20 - 25 GB.


Beware of the lions!


bene07
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:52AM

Hi, I went to Africa last year and feared the same problem. I took with me an external hard drive but bought an extra shock support from a store. It was fine as I always kept it in my Lowpro and the support and was only downloading at night in camp.


Have a great time


RollingEarth
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:38PM
Thanks all. I went for two of the older Lacie Rugged HDs. I'll copy all pics to both and keep them in different places.


Whiteway
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Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:42PM
Exciting! Keep plenty of backup memory capacity for the camera.


Tobias_K
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Posted Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:58AM
Do you take a backup camera body with you in the case something happens to your camera?


RollingEarth
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Posted Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:33AM
Posted By Tobias_K:
Do you take a backup camera body with you in the case something happens to your camera?



Yes, taking D200 and D300 - although I don't know where I will put them!




lostinbids
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Posted Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:59AM
I would suggest taking an inflatable Ray Mears with you too


YinYang
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Posted Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:04PM
RollingEarth, Wow! I am amazed, that is one of the most impressive camera bag I have seen! Good luck!


HawksnestEdinburgh
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Posted Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:48PM
Posted By lostinbids:
I would suggest taking an inflatable Ray Mears with you too


Ooooh er missus.


devin6687
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Posted Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:36AM
Posted By QShot:
The 7200rpm provides faster access speeds, faster sustained transfer speeds and uses more power. That's the basic difference.



Actually, from the benchmarks I've run, I can tell you that the 2.5" 200 GB Toshiba (@ 4200 RPMs) is actually slightly faster than my slightly older 3.5" Seagates 7200 RPM drives, they are 300 GB and 400 GB.


It seems to me that lower-RPM drives pack data at a higher density and that makes up for the lower physical speeds.


At any rate, I shock damage has potential to ruin anything that isn't solid-state. I think the safest suggestion I would have is that you buy lots of big flash cards. They're cheaper than ever before and you can just sort through everything when you get back home. Moving your data to hard drives or optical discs would require you to stop what you're doing and wait while the data is written in order to maintain the integrity of the data.


But I'm not sure how many pictures you'd plan on shooting. It could be that your best option is to buy a 160 GB iPod and one of those card adaptors that lets you upload data from your card directly to the camera. However, I'm not sure if there'd be a CF version of that sort of device.


But if money is less tight, your best option is definitely FireWire 400 or 800, both interfaces are faster than USB 2.0. In fact, my benchmarks on my MacBook indicate that my dual-interface (USB 2.0 and FireWire 400) drives are double the speed over Firewire 400 that they are over USB 2.0. FireWire is definitely the interface of choice.

(Edited on 2008-07-25 11:37:27 by devin6687)


RollingEarth
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Posted Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:00AM
@ devin6687 - thank you for your input. The hard drives I mentioned that I bought above didn't arrive from the internet and I've cancelled the purchase. So, I am back to square one and you've got me worried about shock damage again.

You say that a solid state drive would be best but then refer to an iPod. I thought an iPod had a disc drive? Also you refer to firewire. Excuse my ignorance but I thought that firewire was a file transfer protocol? I'm not too worried about write speeds - I'll have plenty of time in the evenings! I am very concerned with making sure that my data is safe!

I have bought some more CF cards but given that I can conservatively expect to take 10,000 RAW photos, I really feel I need drive or some sort.


YinYang
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Posted Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:09AM
RollingEarth, I spent two and a half week in Peru last year, and took 25,000 raw files, I used two photo storage devices, so I can download every card twice for backup, I used an Epson storage and a hyperdrive storage, both can direct download your CF card, I would not recommend downloading or even turning them on while you are moving across rough terrain, but if you are stationary in the evening, I don't think you would have any trouble, just pack your drive very well with bubble wrap everyday before you head out. I would treat your camera and lens very carefully as well, some adventure photographer wouldn't even put their camera in the trunk across rough terrain, they always recommend putting them in the back seat for more cushion, even lens element could be vulnerable to severe shock.






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